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 Friday 12-15-23  Bill Meyer Show Guest Information

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6:35 Rick Manning, President of Americans for Limited Government with this week’s DC Swamp Update and we dig into the FISA court votes and how to better interact with congressmen.

 7:10 Greg Roberts, Mr Outdoors with

 8:15 Ed Martin, January 6th attorney and board member of the Patriot Freedom Project. Contribute to help J6 families at .

On Wednesday, major news outlets released that the Supreme Court is going to take a case that could have a profound effect on Donald Trump and hundreds of Jan 6th defendants.


In a brief order, the justices agreed to hear a case stemming from Jan. 6 defendant Joseph Fischer’s request to dismiss a charge against him for obstructing an official proceeding. His case provides the Supreme Court an opportunity to rule on the scope of a statute, Section 1512(c)(2). Some of what we discussed included:


  • What is Section 1512 (c)(2)?
  • It is Mr. Martin’s opinion that 1512 was used because it’s a felony with major penalties and used as the hammer against people who otherwise were charged with only misdemeanors. In other words, you wouldn’t go to jail if you just were convicted of misdemeanors. But the 1512 charge makes jail a requirement. (Section 1512(c)(2) is the top charge in most J6 cases—and carries the stiffest potential penalty.)
  • Who ordered the 1512? The Department of Justice began charging 1512 early on. Was it ordered by Garland? Was it ordered by the White House?
  • The use of 1512 has amplified the narrative that the Democrats and the media want: January 6th was an insurrection.


Thursday 12-14-23  Bill Meyer Show Guest Information

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6:35 Rob Gordon, representing  the Western Caucus Foundation

Endangered Species Act at 50: Almost 60% of Claimed Species ‘Recoveries’ Were Falsely Listed, Western Caucus Foundation Report Shows

The full report is available here.

  • “The Endangered Species Act at 50” report is the most complete and current analysis of Law’s conservation record and relies on government’s own data
  • Species were routinely listed in error, magically ‘recovered’ to hide the errors as well as wasteful costs imposed on private property owners and taxpayers


WASHINGTON –  Nearly 60% of species purportedly “recovered” under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) should never have been listed in the first place, and were disguised as successes when taken of the federal list, an extensive study of federal ESA data by the Western Caucus Foundation (WCF) finds.

This further calls into question the effectiveness of the law, under which only 3% of approximately 1,700 species have been officially delisted as ‘recovered’ since the Act was signed into Law on Dec. 28, 1973. The WCF analysis puts the number of actual recoveries at less than 2%.

The ESA’s delisting process has been used by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to pass off species added to the list in error as successful ‘recoveries.’ In reality, more than double the number of species were actually removed from list because they were mistakes  and not actual recoveries, the report, entitled “The Endangered Species Act at 50,” says. The report relies almost entirely on federal register notices and agency reports.

“This report documents that the Endangered Species Act in its present form is ineffectual at best, and that its dismal record has been hidden,” said Rob Gordon, an ESA expert and the report’s author. “The Act desperately needs modernization for species and people, in terms of how the program is implemented, and to ensure that accurate, reliable and sufficient data are used in decision-making rather than advocacy presented as science, which harms Congressional oversight, misleads the public, and hinders the Act’s very purpose.”

The deceptive practice of misrepresenting mistakes as successes has gone on for decades, hiding the waste of conservation resources, and imposing regulatory burdens based on erroneous data.

“For far too long, this administration’s desire to empower D.C. bureaucrats at the expense of local wildlife experts has allowed the ESA to be the death knell of local communities bound by its outdated policies,” said Senator Cynthia Lummis (WY), who is WCF Honorary Co-Chair.  “Now more than ever, we have a responsibility to modernize the ESA so it not only better fits its intended purpose but empowers our landowners and businesses to be partners in species recovery, not the enemy.”

The ESA’s effects are consequential to landowners and taxpayers, who bear the burden of species listed based on insufficient or erroneous data or analysis – species that are later misleadingly claimed to have ‘recovered’ as well as other species that remain wrongly listed. Two-thirds of endangered species habitats are on private lands.

“This year marks the 50th anniversary of the ESA, and it has been a disappointing 50 years,” said Rep. Dan Newhouse (WA-04), Honorary Co-Chair of WCF and Chairman of the Congressional Western Caucus. “With a less than 5% success rate, it’s clear that the ESA as enacted has failed its mission of actually recovering species. Furthermore, the finding that more than half of the alleged recoveries are the result of data error or manipulation is a damning indictment of the effectiveness of this law and its implementation. This report shows we must improve transparency of the data used by the Fish and Wildlife Service, and will help inform the work of the ESA Working Group that I co-chair in the House of Representatives.”

Attempts to modernize the ESA have met with stiff resistance in the past.

“It’s to be be expected that certain interests will characterize this report as a threat to endangered species or an attempt to roll back environmental regulations,” WCF Executive Director Darrell Henry said. “It’s only in the environmental arena that any effort to bring a program into the future – or even the present – and make it effective is referred to as a rollback. Updating the ESA for the better would only turn its long-term failures into successes for truly endangered or threatened species.”

has worked on environmental issues for over three decades. He served as SeniorAdvisor to the Director of the USGS, as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Policy and Environmental Management at the Department of the Interior, Staff Director of the Subcommittee on Oversight & Investigations, Senior Advisor on Endangered Species for the House Natural Resources Committee, and as Professional Staff for the Committee when his primary role was crafting major provisions of H.R.3824, the Threatened and Endangered Species Recovery Act. Rob has been an Adjunct Fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, served as a Visiting Fellow, Senior Research Fellow, and as Senior Advisor for Strategic Outreach at The Heritage Foundation, and founded and served as Executive Director of the National Wilderness Institute. He served for two terms as a Board Member of the Commonwealth of Virginia’s Board of Conservation and Recreation.




7:10 Jeanice Barcelo, author, researcher, educator, Author of  “Are Wireless Devices Really Safe?” and “The Dark Side of Prenatal Ultrasound


Is Prenatal Ultrasound Causing Fetal Damage? Researcher Documents the Link


FRANKLIN, NC — In her compelling book, The Dark Side of Prenatal Ultrasound, researcher and birth advocate Jeanice Barcelo offers “a ground-breaking analysis of the documented facts concerning the dangers of prenatal ultrasound.”


She states, “Despite the medical establishment repeating the mantra that ultrasound is ‘just sound waves’ and therefore ‘perfectly safe’ during pregnancy, in truth, ultrasound is based on non-ionizing radiation, and many thousands of studies have confirmed that this type of radiation is harmful, especially for children and developing babies in the womb.”


In her book, Barcelo includes nearly 300 pages of sourced material and more than 1,800 citations to back up her findings that ultrasound is causing harm to developing babies. Barcelo asserts that ultrasound “should be banned from obstetrics immediately.”


“What I found out through my research is that ultrasound IS radiation,” she said, “and I can very clearly state to you that the Food and Drug Administration has known for many, many decades about the harm this technology is causing.”


Among the risks Barcelo cites that can be attributed to ultrasound exposure in utero are: radiation-induced genetic mutations that can negatively affect future generations; damaging reproductive effects that can lead to fertility issues and sterility later in life; radiation-induced brain damage and/or neurodevelopmental delays that can contribute to autism; and many childhood diseases.


About the Author
Jeanice Barcelo is an author, educator, researcher and birth advocate dedicated to protecting incoming babies as they make their way into the world. She has written several books about the dangers of medical interventions during pregnancy and birth, and she has lectured extensively about the impact of birth trauma and the need for preconception education so that future parents will understand the keys to birthing their babies in love. Barcelo has created a ministry to support future parents in this regard, along with a 20-week parenting program that emphasizes the importance of doing preparatory work prior to the conception of children.


To learn more about Jeanice Barcelo and her work, please visit


Wednesday 12-13-23  Bill Meyer Show Guest Information

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 6:35 Eric Peters, automotive journalist with



7:10 State Senator Dennis Linthicum – we talk about a new lawsuit filed against the Governor and Secretary of State – Here’s the Press Release:


Citizens Sue Over Oregon’s New Elections Speech Censorship Program

Portland, OR (December 12, 2023) – A cross-section of Oregon citizens is suing the Oregon Governor, Secretary of State, and Elections Director over a violation of Oregonian’s free speech. The Secretary of State of Oregon is poised to launch an “Elections False Information Solution” with a UK-based artificial intelligence agency to create a sophisticated citizen surveillance technology to “combat” and “disarm,” citizen speech about elections that runs counter to the state’s official assertion that Oregon elections are “safe and secure.”


The Elections False Information Solution began as a Secretary of State request for proposal, was tested last year, and a new RFP was issued this year to officially launch the program. Its purpose is to surveil and collect citizen election speech the state deems as mis/dis/mal information, a process labeled “threat detection” by the program description. It will monitor social media platforms, websites, Oregon news sites and websites, podcasts, radio programs, videos on You Tube, and blogs.


As this new AI technology surveilles election speech in public media, it will then create notifications and reporting of “threats” it detects. The Elections Division will share information it collects with partners such as the FBI, Oregon State Police, National Guard, Oregon TITAN Fusion Center, CISA, and the US Attorneys’ Office.  In addition, the AI media-sifting and reporting program will then create counter-narratives to “manage authoritative public information,” according to their program Solutions Requirements. These intimidating referrals to law enforcement and the state’s messaging efforts to discredit citizen views are some of the “countermeasures” they are using to “combat” citizen speech. Other measures include referring violating citizens expressing their election views to social media platforms, and thus shadow banning, de-monetizing, and de-platforming ensues.


Chilling the speech of any citizen for any purpose is a violation of the First Amendment and thus a growing coalition of Oregonians are joining this case Thielman vs. Kotek. Plaintiffs include a cross-section of affected Oregonians, including state senators, candidates for office, businessmen and women, election integrity researchers, broadcasters, radio hosts, and political party leaders.

Through this initiative, the state of Oregon has appointed themselves as the arbiter of what constitutes mis/dis/mal information. Instead of allocating taxpayer money to improving Oregon’s election systems, the state has allocated citizen monies to surveillance, “fact checking,” and law enforcement referrals.


Nothing in federal or state law gives the state the authority to conduct such a breach of citizen trust through the surveillance and penalizing of speech. Not only is this a clear violation of the First Amendment; it is premeditated censorship of free speech, and the plaintiff citizens of Oregon aim to receive a permanent injunction to this program.


For lawsuit filings and RFP exhibits, visit



8:15 Antonio Ciaccia, President of 3 Axis Advisors,



It seems we’ve been talking about the high cost of prescription drugs, well forever, but there finally could be light at the end of the tunnel. Legislation on Capitol Hill is gaining momentum to tackle the root cause of the high costs: PBMs or pharmacy benefit managers.


At the same time, one of the biggest PBMs in the nation, CVS Caremark, say it is making changes to prevent unscrupulous or unfair pricing. However leading policy experts say this is only ‘theatrics,’ and much more needs to be done.


For the first time in decades, there is real momentum on Capitol Hill to tackle skyrocketing and unfair prescription drug prices. At the same time, a major Pharmacy Benefit Manager (PBM) company, CVS Caremark, is announcing changes in the way it gets reimbursed for drug prices. However, leading experts in the field call it “theatrics,” and an attempt to dodge legislation coming down the pike.


Just last month, on a 46-0 vote, the House Energy and Commerce Committee advanced H.R. 2880, Protecting Patients Against PBM Abuses Act. The bill “de-links” PBM compensation from the price of a drug and makes compensation a flat fee. Also gaining momentum is the Patients Before Middlemen (PBM) Act.


What exactly are Pharmacy Benefit Managers? (PBMs)

PBMs are third-party middlemen that manage prescription drug benefits and pharmacy networks on behalf of health plans, including Medicare Part D plans. PBMs perform multiple functions including determining which medications will be covered by health insurance plans and how much patients will pay.


PBMs have landed under state and federal scrutiny for their opaque drug pricing practices that have been found to inflate the costs of medicines, reduce patient access to pharmacies and subvert broader public health goals. At the same time, disruptors like Mark Cuban’s Cost Plus Drug Company have begun chipping away at this dysfunctional marketplace, and two major PBMs are attempting to divert attention from their detrimental practices with announcements about new drug pricing models that could actually increase drug costs and yield more questions than answers.



Ira Edward’s Email of the Day (to the R-V Times:

You may have seen my lte, and another climate reality letter, in RVT Dec. 2, and an objecting letter and the editorial Dec. 7.

Here is a copy of my response to RVT, sent by US mail.

To the Editorial Board

I appreciate the RV Times.  I wish you success.

I could not help laughing at the reasons given for censoring climate alarm denial.  Who is your climate authority?  I really want to meet this person.  What I read looks more like ideology than science.

This is about three letters.  ONE.  My climate reality letter.  TWO.  A letter from Central Point, also climate reality.  Both of these were published Dec. 2.  THREE.  A letter from Talent, published Dec 7, objecting to the publication of the other two.  FOUR.  Your Dec. 7 response, agreeing with the Talent letter.

If you were consistent with letter acceptance, you might not have printed letter three.  Did you read his miss-quote of my question about children?  Is that all right?  Talent also accused the first letters of “false and widely debunked” claims.  He did not root this in fact.  Do you allow that if you like a letter, and require proof if you don’t like the letter?  He also lists “facts” which if you required proof, there is none.  Long term weather measurements do not find increased floods or droughts.  There have been some inches of sea rise in the last 50 years, not “dramatic.”  Atlantic hurricanes over 100 years have had a small decrease in frequency and severity.  I will provide documentation if you ask.

You did not use the common term “climate denier.”  Thank you for that.  People know climate exists.  You used the correct term “climate change denier.”  I have heard of these, but they must be few.  Writer two, and myself, are climate crisis deniers.

Here, we have a mathematical dissonance.  There are massive gaps in the story from weather statistics to a burning planet.  I have a request.  Can your climate expert, or anyone or any group you choose, be willing to come to 845 W 12th St, and answer these for me?

  1. Assume that all claims of global warming danger are true.  Do they really add up to a planet in danger?  I requested a local climate group to find anyone willing to inform me where I am wrong.  There were no takers.


  1. Add up all possible political and practical measures being taken to fight climate change.  I fifty years, would all the windmills, solar panels and dead cows result in a reduction in climate change by more than a tenth of a degree?  Surely, you know.


Who am I?  I have not had an academic course in climate.  What I have is degree certificates that say “Chemistry.”  “Education, Biology and Geology.”  Plus years of medical studies without a degree.  I have been involved in science study, research and teaching for about 77 years.  I have taught six science courses for grades 7-12.  I have taught embryology, microbiology, ornithology, physics, astronomy and more.  I published an orthomolecular nutrition textbook.  Ecology and climate depends largely in combining knowledge of other fields.  For climate, I have hundreds of articles on file and a shelf of books.  Before I am confident of being right, I use a much-neglected scientific principle: I try to prove myself wrong.

A question for your climate expert:  Have you tried to prove yourself wrong?  Have you read anything from climate scientist Anthony Watts?  Have you looked at the website CO2 coalition?

Please, show my where I am wrong.  I need to know.  I’m still learning.

Ira M. Edwards


 Tuesday 12-12-23 Bill Meyer Show Guest Information

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  6:35 Dan Stein with the Federation for American Immigration Reform

Having demonstrated a united front last week, congressional Republicans have a real chance to deliver a win for the American people by standing firm. Three years into the Biden Border Crisis, this foreign aid package is perhaps the best opportunity to end the border surge by ensuring policy reforms are included to detain and remove illegal aliens, curb massive asylum fraud and halt the Administration’s rampant abuse of parole authority.  Fortunately, a blueprint to do that already exists in the FAIR-supported H.R. 2, the Secure the Border Act, passed by the House of Representatives in May 2023.  Throwing more money at the border crisis won’t solve it. We need real policy reforms and H.R. 2 is the solution.

To learn more about H.R. 2 and FAIR’s efforts to support strong measures to secure our borders, visit our activist toolkit here.

 7:35 Josephine County Commissioner Herman Baertschiger – How the “Library District” vote last week really works, unlike what critics of it are claiming.

 8:15 Kevin Starrett, Oregon Firearms Federation and we dive into the politics of the firearms issues, the challenges in the state legislature. Lawfare is really the important part of this and please donate to OFF’s PAC and claim your political tax credit if you can! Info Here:


Monday 12-11-23 Bill Meyer Show Guest Information

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6:35 James Coleman is a Professor of Law at Southern Methodist University’s Dedman School of Law. His scholarship addresses regulation of international energy companies, focusing on how countries account for and influence regulation in their trading partners.


Since Congress provided $7.5 billion for electric vehicle chargers in 2021, zero have been built, Politico revealed this week (link).  This shows the Biden Administration “has not learned the lessons of previous efforts to jump start American infrastructure” and “there is a danger that all the new energy spending will be simply wasted,” according to James Coleman, an expert in energy regulation.

James’ press statement is below. 

“The Biden Administration, unfortunately, has not learned the lessons of previous efforts to jump start American infrastructure. Money isn’t enough without a serious effort to remove government barriers to new infrastructure.

“As I’ve explained, the Obama administration’s 2009 stimulus offered record funding—$8 billion—for high speed rail but 13 years later, Americans still have no prospect of high speed rail service, because of the challenges of planning and permitting such a project.

“Now, President Biden has provided another $8 billion in funding—this time for electric chargers—and again Americans have nothing to show for it because of government red tape.

“Unless, the President takes strong action to reform government permitting, including addressing continuing delays caused by environmental review and state and local vetoes, there is a danger that all the new energy spending will be simply wasted. This is a troubling prospect given that the signature Inflation Reduction Act offered $400 billion to $1.2 trillion in funding for new energy infrastructure. Will Americans receive anything of value for this massive expense—$3,000 to $10,000 per American household? That will depend on serious reform that the administration has so far resisted.”





7:10 Jamie Gass, director of the Pioneer Institute’s Center for School Reform.

And co-editor of RESTORING THE CITY ON THE HILL: U.S. History and Civics in America’s Schools


Aside from being the 1st woman appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court, O’Connor was also a champion of education. After her retirement from the court, she founded an organization dedicated to better civics education, telling the National School Boards Association, “I will make it my primary focus now to work on civics education in America. We have some work to do.”


With fewer than half of Americans able to name the three branches of government, there is indeed work to do and it’s being carried on today by The Pioneer Institute. They’re reinvigorating history and civics education in America with the goal of every high school graduate passing the U.S. citizenship test.


Jamie Gass is director of the Pioneer Institute’s Center for School Reform and he’s spearheading a drive to bring history/civics education back to the classroom. Only eight states require a passing grade in citizenship for graduation, and given the chaos we’re seeing on college campuses today, the need for better K-12 education in civics and history is needed more than ever.





8:15 Dr. Dennis Powers, with today’s “Where Past Meets Present”

The Christmas Flood of 1964

By Dennis Powers


Cutting through the holidays, a major flood occurred in the Pacific Northwest and California between December 18, 1964, and January 7, 1965, named “The Christmas Flood of 1964.” This 100-year flood was one of the worst in recorded history for Oregon and the worst on nearly every river in coastal Northern California. The U.S. National Weather Service rated the flood as the fifth most destructive event in Oregon in the Twentieth Century. An extremely heavy snowpack accumulated in California, Oregon, and Washington that was followed by unseasonably warmer weather, heavy rain deluges, and huge snow melts that caused water to rush down and overwhelm river banks.

Many weather stations throughout the Pacific Northwest and this area measured the rainfall over the five days from December 19th to the 23rd as being the wettest ever recorded. When night came on Dec. 22nd 1964, the Rogue River raged over its banks. The monstrous waters destroyed nearly everything in its path, ripping houses apart, cutting away roads, slicing hillsides in half, and destroying small towns.

The Rogue hit Shady Cove nearly the hardest. A portion of the bridge over the river washed away that night, as tons of heavy mill-logs and rooftops surged to race past and crush houses downstream. The town was totally dark as the power was already out, but anyone along the Rogue River could hear its roar.

The waters captured freezers, furniture, cars, and anything in its path, floatable or not. Normal placid streams became swollen. Bear Creek rushed into the Rogue, which surged over its banks to submerge much of downtown Medford. In Gold Hill, floodwaters were four-feet deep in the basement of a ranch house that was 600 feet from the river. The river crested at 34 feet—12 feet above flood level—at the City of Rogue River; it surged 15 feet above flood stage in Grants Pass, swamping large areas of the city and heavily damaging homes, businesses, bridges, and the sewage-treatment plant.

Afterwards, recovered possessions were useless, damaged beyond repair, or waterlogged. With the flood ripping through septic tanks, sanitation and potable water became priorities. Although no one died in this area, seventeen did throughout Oregon and the total damages were in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Towns and residents then banded together to help each other out; those on dry land took in friends and the Salvation Army and other nonprofits opened their doors. Even without flood insurance, shops reopened and homes were rebuilt over time.

People doubt that the flood-control dams built after 1964, however, can restrain the next 100-year deluge, especially with the countless homes later built by the river and those who are unaware of a severe flood’s destructive powers.

Sources: Dennis Powers, Where Past Meets Present, Hellgate Press: Ashland, Oregon (2017), Pp. 189-190, “The 1964 Christmas Flood;” Paul Fattig, “The ’64 flood,” Mail Tribune, December, 19, 2004; “Wikipedia: Christmas Flood of 1964,” at 1964 Flood.